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Our advisor and product marketing expert, Yi Lin, interviews Ben to explore the relationship between product marketing and sales.She asks about sales reps' day-to-day, what makes top performers stand out, and how product marketers can support sales beyond decks. We also talk about why product marketers struggle more with sales (apparently more than product teams), collateral for sales reps, and how product marketers can build relationships with high-performing reps.Yi Lin and I drink water Ben drinks Coors Banquet 🍺

Why product marketing struggles to work with sales

Ben does an "ask me anything" style interview to ask me questions he's always wanted to know about marketing. We talk about what makes each marketing role hard, debate whether sales or marketing should own outbound, and share our thoughts on personal LinkedIn branding for founders and sales reps. Ben and I were being uncreative and both just drank water

Ben does an "ask me anything" style interview to ask me questions he's always wanted to know about marketing. 
We talk about what makes each marketing role hard, debate whether sales or marketing should own outbound, and share thoughts on personal LinkedIn branding for founders and sales reps. 
Ben and I were being uncreative and both just drank water.

Natalie "ask me anything" interview

Ben and I discuss my experience at ChiliPalooza, a SaaS conference in Arizona, all around wellness and AI. We chat about all the ways I heard marketers are using AI, like synthesizing large amounts of data, repurposing content, and building brand guideline bots. We also talk about how it feels impossible to keep up with all the AI innovation and how it's impacting buying decisions. 

I drink a botanical tea-based liquor 🍵 
Ben drinks a Coors Light 🍺

How B2B marketers use AI and ChiliPalooza conference reactions

Ben and I discuss our recent sales kickoff (SKO) in Dallas and Natalie's transition to a product marketing role at Navattic. We cover why you should bring marketing leadership to SKOs. My presentation about my role leading product marketing role at the SKO and why the company decided to make this transition at this stage of growth. Plus Ben's experience planning and executing his first full SKO, why SKOs are so important for sales teams, and how to manage energy levels at company events.I drink a botanical tea-based liquor 🍵 Ben drinks red wine 🍷

Why should marketing leaders attend sales kickoffs

Ben Pearson and I chat about how we built a sales process focused on buyer experience at Navattic. I interview Ben on how he developed his sales philosophy when he joined the company and the balance between creating a winning culture and doing what is best for prospects. We also go into why we don't use traditional sales methodologies, how we hire for autonomy and high standards, and why Ben is obsessed with discovery. Ben drinks red wine 🍷I drink rosé 🍷

How we built a SaaS sales team focused on buyer experience

Ben Pearson and I kick off 2025 by chatting about our predictions and observations for B2B buying, marketing, and sales this year. We discuss topics like LinkedIn's evolution, the future of PLG motions (expanding beyond just free trials), how marketing may change with the rise of specialized freelancers, customers getting involved earlier in the buyer journey, and if competitors will ever join together to help educate the market. Ben drinks an On The Rocks premixed cocktail (Old Fashioned) 🥃I drink tea 🫖

Our predictions on how B2B buying will change in 2025

Ben and I reflect on our first customer event in New York City (if you didn't listen to our last episode we talked about planning the event in that one). We discuss what made it different from typical B2B conferences like an intimate venue, not too packed agenda, and customer-only attendees.We share the event's impact, like positive feedback from attendees and how that helped inform our 2025 events strategy. I drink honey Jack whiskey on the rocks 🥃Ben drinks Coors Banquet beer 🍺

Takeaways from our first ever user conference

Revenue on the Rocks

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We created this podcast because I constantly heard marketing leaders complain about their sales counterparts.

One thing that has been really unique about working at Navattic is my relationship with my GTM partner and our Head of Sales, Ben Pearson.

Instead of formal questions and answers, this podcast will be free-flowing and in-depth conversations about sales + marketing and genuine stories from our career (all over a drink).

It’s not all just us drinking and chatting - we also include actionable takeaways that you can apply to your company.

If you’re a new sales or marketing startup leader or just curious how GTM strategy works at a growing startup - grab a glass and join us!

Natalie Marcotullio - Head of Growth at <a href="https://www.navattic.com/" target="_blank">Navattic</a>

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