Would you sell Chrome for USD 34.5 billion dollars? In episode 68 of Mixture of Experts, host Tim Hwang is joined by Abraham Daniels, Sophie Kuijt and Shobhit Varshney for another packed week in AI. First, AI startup Perplexity puts out a bid for Google Chrome at over double their valuation. Why? Next, xAI released Grok Imagine and claims it will be the next Vine. Our experts analyze the future of AI video generation. Finally, one week after the GPT-5 release and skeptics are saying it did not live up to the hype. Is AI development plateauing? All that and more on Mixture of Experts! 00:00 – Intro 01:17 – MoE News: NVIDIA H20s, Apple AI devices, AI people pleasers and Google DeepMind’s bioacoustics model 02:40 – Perplexity’s USD 34.5B bid 12:10 – Grok Imagine 24:23 – GPT-5 check-in The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of IBM or any other organization or entity. <ul><li>Subscribe to the Think Newsletter&nbsp;→ <a href="https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Learn more about artificial intelligence → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/think/artificial-intelligence" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/think/artificial-intelligence</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Visit Mixture of Experts podcast page to get more AI content → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts</a>&nbsp;</li></ul>

Shobhit Varshney

VP & Sr. Partner, Americas Head of Data & AI 

Sophie Kuijt

Distinguished Engineer, CTO for IBM NCEE Region 

Abraham Daniels

Senior Technical Product Manager, Granite 

Would you sell Chrome for USD 34.5B? This week on Mixture of Experts, we unpack Perplexity’s shocking bid for Google Chrome, xAI’s Grok Imagine and its claim to be the next Vine and whether AI progress is plateauing after GPT-5’s debut. 

Perplexity’s bid for Chrome, Grok Imagine and GPT-5 check-in

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Is GPT-5 better at code than Claude Opus 4.1? In this bonus episode of Mixture of Experts, guest host Bryan Casey is joined by Mihai Criveti and Chris Hay to analyze OpenAI’s new release. Our experts dove into the new models and compared them with their favorites. In today’s special episode, we dive into the news, impacts on the industry and even share a demo. Can GPT-5 outperform Claude Opus 4.1? All that and more on today’s episode of Mixture of Experts.&nbsp; &nbsp;00:00 – Intro&nbsp;1:26 -- GPT-5 is here&nbsp;13:43 -- Are we closer to AGI?&nbsp;20:50 -- Demo: &nbsp;Opus 4.1 vs. GPT-5&nbsp; &nbsp;The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of IBM or any other organization or entity.&nbsp;&nbsp;<ul><li>Subscribe for AI updates → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Learn more about artificial intelligence → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/think/artificial-intelligence" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/think/artificial-intelligence</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Visit Mixture of Experts podcast page to get more AI content → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts</a>&nbsp;</li></ul>

Bryan Casey

Guest Host, Mixture of Experts

Chris Hay

Distinguished Engineer, CTO Customer Transformation 

Mihai Criveti

Distinguished Engineer, Agentic AI 

Is GPT-5 better at coding than Claude Opus 4.1 ? In this bonus episode of Mixture of Experts, we compare model performance, explore AGI progress, break down industry impact and share a live coding demo. Don’t miss this expert analysis on the latest AI model showdown.

OpenAI dropped GPT-5, is AGI here?

OpenAI goes open-weight?&nbsp; In episode 67 of Mixture of Experts, host Tim Hwang is joined by Kaoutar El Maghraoui, Chris Hay and Bruno Aziza to debrief OpenAI’s release of gpt-oss, their new open-source models. Next, the model releases continue as Google DeepMind dropped Genie 3. Our experts analyze the various AI model performance. Then, there’s been some drama surrounding the pricing of Claude Code. We’ll discuss where Anthropic landed and what it means. Finally, Mark Zuckerberg shared a new essay on Personal Superintelligence. Our experts take us through what superintelligence looks like across the major AI players. All that and more on today’s episode of Mixture of Experts.&nbsp; 00:00 -- Intro&nbsp;01:20 -- Gpt-oss&nbsp;12:26 -- Genie 3&nbsp;22:12 -- Claude pricing&nbsp;33:04 -- Zuckerberg on Personal Superintelligence &nbsp;&nbsp;The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of IBM or any other organization or entity.&nbsp; <ul><li>Subscribe for AI updates → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Learn more about artificial intelligence → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/think/artificial-intelligence" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/think/artificial-intelligence</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Visit Mixture of Experts podcast page to get more AI content → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts</a>&nbsp;</li></ul>

Kaoutar El Maghraoui

Principal Research Scientist and Manager, Hybrid Cloud Platform 

Bruno Aziza

Vice President, Data, AI & Analytics Strategy 

OpenAI goes open-weight? Episode 67 of Mixture of Experts breaks down OpenAI’s new open-source models, DeepMind’s Genie 3, Claude Code pricing drama and Zuckerberg’s take on Personal Superintelligence.

Gpt-oss, Genie 3, Personal Superintelligence and Claude pricing

Is ChatGPT making you dumb? In episode 66 of Mixture of Experts, host Tim Hwang is joined by Kaoutar El Maghraoui, Kush Varshney and Volkmar Uhlig. First, ChatGPT released a new study mode. The intention is to support education, but what is the reality? Next, AI agents are changing design interfaces; is agentic experience (AX) the new UX? Then, a new paper released by Nature about generative neural networks contextualizing ancient texts. How is AI supporting historical research? Finally, special guest, Suja Viswesan, joins us to debrief the 2025 Cost of a Data Breach Report. What do we need to know about AI-driven cybersecurity attacks? Tune in to Mixture of Experts to find out!&nbsp; 00:00 – Intro&nbsp;01:09 – ChatGPT study mode&nbsp;13:52 – Agentic experience&nbsp;12:08 – Decoding ancient texts with AI&nbsp;39:55 – Cost of a Data Breach Report 2025&nbsp; The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of IBM or any other organization or entity.&nbsp; Read the 2025 Cost of a Data Breach Report → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/reports/data-breach" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/reports/data-breach</a> &nbsp;Subscribe for AI updates → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120</a>&nbsp;Learn more about artificial intelligence → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/think/artificial-intelligence" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/think/artificial-intelligence</a>&nbsp;Visit Mixture of Experts podcast page to get more AI content → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts</a>&nbsp;

Suja Viswesan

Vice President, Security and Runtime Products 

Volkmar Uhlig

VP, AI Infrastructure Portfolio Lead

Kush Varshney

 IBM Fellow, AI Governance

Principal Research Scientist and Manager, Hybrid Cloud Platform

Is ChatGPT making us dumber? We explore its new study mode, agentic design trends, AI’s role in history research and the future of AI-driven cyberattacks.

ChatGPT study mode, shift from UX to AX and Cost of a Data Breach Report 2025

What does the White House have to say about AI? In episode 65 of Mixture of Experts, host Tim Hwang is joined by Kate Soule, Gabe Goodhart&nbsp; and first-time guest, Mihai Criveti. First, Google DeepMind shared that Gemini Deep Think won Gold at IMO. Next, who is using ChatGPT agents? We get our experts’ thoughts. Then, Mihai takes us through MCP Gateway and what this means for next-gen AI systems. Finally, special guest, Ryan Hagemann, joins us to analyze the White House’s new AI Action Plan, released this week. What does this mean for AI policy? Tune in to Mixture of Experts to find out!&nbsp;&nbsp;<ul><li>00:00 – Intro&nbsp;</li><li>01:16 - DeepMind at IMO&nbsp;</li><li>16:27 - ChatGPT agents&nbsp;</li><li>25:43 - MCP Gateway&nbsp;</li><li>35:45 - AI Action Plan&nbsp;</li></ul> The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of IBM or any other organization or entity.&nbsp;

Kate Soule

Director, Technical Product Management, Granite, Data and Model Factory 

Ryan Hagemann

Global AI Policy Issue Lead

Gabe Goodhart

Chief Architect, AI Open Innovation 

What does the new White House AI Action Plan mean for the future of AI policy? This week on MoE: Gemini’s win at IMO, real-world use of ChatGPT agents, the MCP Gateway and its implications for next-gen AI systems.

AI Action Plan, ChatGPT agents and DeepMind at IMO

Is Kimi K2 actually better than Claude? In episode 64 of Mixture of Experts, host Tim Hwang is joined by Abraham Daniels, Chris Hay and Kaoutar El Maghraoui. First, Moonshot AI released Kimi K2, their trillion-parameter MoE model, and our experts analyze the benchmarks and what this really means. Then, we reflect on DeepSeek-R1 6 months later; did it live up to the hype? Next, Google is investing $25 billion in AI infrastructure, and it’s not just AI chips. How does this compare to their competitors? Finally, Anthropic’s Claude for Enterprise announced an expansion with Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory —what AI safety concerns might this raise?&nbsp; Tune in to today’s episode of Mixture of Experts to find out.&nbsp; 00:00 – Intro&nbsp;01:18 – Kimi K2&nbsp;12:07 – DeepSeek-R1 vibe check&nbsp;28:49 – Google's data center investments&nbsp;41:20 – Claude powers LLNL research&nbsp;&nbsp;The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of IBM or any other organization or entity.&nbsp; Resources:<ul><li>Read more on how DeepSeek has changed the landscape of AI, six months after the watershed release of R1 →&nbsp;<a href="http://ibm.com/think/news/deepseek-global-ai-local" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ibm.com/think/news/deepseek-global-ai-local</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;</li><li>Subscribe for AI updates → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/account/reg/us-en/signup?formid=news-urx-52120</a>&nbsp;</li><li>Visit Mixture of Experts podcast page to get more AI content → <a href="https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.ibm.com/think/podcasts/mixture-of-experts</a>&nbsp;</li></ul>

 Kaoutar El Maghraoui

Is Kimi K2 really better than Claude? We break down Moonshot AI’s MoE model, revisit DeepSeek-R1, unpack Google’s $25B AI spend and explore Claude’s enterprise risks.

Kimi K2, DeepSeek-R1 vibe check and Google’s data center investments

How will AI agents change search? In episode 63 of Mixture of Experts, host Tim Hwang is joined by Aaron Baughman, Chris Hay and Kate Soule. First, Perplexity released their Comet browser, and there are rumors that OpenAI is next. Who will win the AI browser war? Then, we discuss frontier model transparency amid Anthropic’s call for a “targeted transparency framework”. Does this only support large model developers? Later, Cloudflare blocks AI scrapers. Is this a good thing? Finally, we discuss how AI is showing up at Wimbledon this year and enhancing the fan experience via Match Chat.&nbsp; Tune in to today’s episode of Mixture of Experts.&nbsp; 00:00 – Intro&nbsp;1:06 -- AI browser wars&nbsp;13:10 -- Anthropic on model transparency&nbsp;28:57 -- Cloudflare scrapers&nbsp;41:32 -- Wimbledon Match Chat&nbsp; The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the views of IBM or any other organization or entity.&nbsp;

Aaron Baughman

IBM Fellow, Master Inventor 

Director, Technical Product Management, Granite 

Chris Hay 

Distinguished Engineer, CTO Customer Transformation

How will AI agents change search? Episode 63 of Mixture of Experts unpacks the AI browser wars, Anthropic’s transparency push, Cloudflare’s scraper ban and AI at Wimbledon.

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ChatGPT study mode, shift from UX to AX and Cost of a Data Breach Report 2025

AI Action Plan, ChatGPT agents and DeepMind at IMO

Kimi K2, DeepSeek-R1 vibe check and Google’s data center investments

Perplexity’s Comet browser, Cloudflare blocks AI scrapers and Wimbledon Match Chat

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