Kickass Ambassador Shannon Tymosko Wants to Show You A Different Path
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: (singing). Hey, this is Rebecca Fleetwood Hession, host of the Badass Women's Council podcast. We are here for reflection and connection for the high- achieving badass woman like you. And I'm so glad you're here. And you might as well, just go ahead and hit the subscribe button, so you don't miss any future episodes just seems like the right thing to do. Don't you think? Super excited about this episode today because I have a lot of passion for the trades industry, the shortage of trades workers that we have, and I was raised by trades workers, so it's personal for me too. Today on the show we have Shannon Tymosko. Gosh, I hope I'm saying that right. Shannon, we didn't clarify, that note to self. Any who, Shannon is an electrical apprentice in Toronto, Canada, and she is a great ambassador for women to join the trades industry. So she's going to talk today about how it's not only a great career financially, but it's great for courage and confidence and well- being and all the things that we love here at the Badass Women's Council. Can't wait for you to meet Shannon. Here we go. Hey, Shannon. How's it going?
Shannon Tymosko: Good. Thank you so much for having me here today, Rebecca. I'm very blessed to be on your show and talk to with you today.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: I said to you when we first logged on, so serendipitous because yesterday on Facebook, I posted a story and a picture about fixing my furnace on Friday night and my washer on Sunday or Monday or whatever day it was. And how grateful I was that I had grown up around a family that used tools and wasn't afraid to try stuff. And then I look on my calendar today and it's like," Oh, I'm talking to Shannon. We're going to talk about skilled trades." So I love a good flow through with the stories. So I found you on LinkedIn because you'd been doing a podcast or a talk about being a woman in the skilled trade industry. And I just loved your vibe and I loved your message. And I'm so excited that you're here.
Shannon Tymosko: Well, let me just first say, I'm very proud of you for taking on those things this weekend, because the feeling you get when you accomplish something that maybe you had some doubts or fears is amazing. So pat on the back, I'm very proud of you.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Thank you. And it is so true because as soon as I fixed both of them, I immediately called my dad to tell him how proud I was of myself and how grateful I was that he was a dad that taught me how to do these kinds of things. I can remember one time I had fixed something around the house right after my divorce. And I woke the kids up to tell them that I had fixed something they're like," Did you just really wake me up to tell me that?" I'm like," Yes, I did, because I'm super proud of myself." Okay. Quick pause. I have a question for you when something goes really well at work, and you're super excited about it. Do you have someone or some group of people that you can celebrate with? Somebody that you can just say, I am so proud of myself. I'm so excited. If you need that, I have an online community for badass women, the Badass Women's Council. Community. You can jump in there. There's all kinds of women in there, like you who want to celebrate with you. And if you really want to take it a step further, we've got a monthly subscription masterclass where we will bring you meaningful content and conversation, and really rich relationships with other career women that care as much about their jobs and career as you do. Okay. Back to Shannon. So one of the things that we had a chance to talk about is how being in the trades industry has really impacted you personally. I'd love for you to tell a little bit about your story
Shannon Tymosko: I'm really glad to talk about that today, because one of my favorite things about the skilled trades is what it has done for me personally. Not only like there's the physical aspect, I get that, that's winning for me. The financial aspect, these things are all great, but what's often not talked about is the sense of, when you touched on it, that confidence that you get. There are so many women that I've kind of talked to, that are in the skilled trades, after they do like a little proud moment, we have like a little cry. We're like so proud of ourselves. Like, we just did that. Nobody else thought we could. I didn't think I could, but I did. And my previous career as a child and youth worker, and part of that is, dealing with people and mental health. And I myself have seen a few counselors. And I remember one of the counselors saying to me," Shannon, confidence is built by competence. It's by taking that little sippy cup when you're two years old, putting it to your mouth and trying until you succeed." And as a woman, I don't know about you, but I've been told a few times," Oh, you just need a little confidence, just a little self- esteem." And to me, it's like the most frustrating thing, because I just want to know where the bottle is. Like, tell me, where's the recipe.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: It should be marked clearly with a label, it says confidence.
Shannon Tymosko: Right. Vitamin B, Vitamin D, confidence. People make it sound like it's so easy, and I'm a recipe person. And the recipe is, confidence comes from competence, it's from trying things. Well, what fear is for young people today, is that they just don't try things anymore because they're so entertained. Sure, they try things. They try a new video game, like they're so entertained by this little screen, that they're not getting out and interacting with the world. And sadly, that builds confidence. Like you said, you grew up in a family of skilled trade workers and you told me a story about working with your grandfather, right?
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Yeah.
Shannon Tymosko: And those kinds of things, one are memories, but it builds basic skills for you to be successful. And the skilled trades not only helped build my confidence, but it gave me independence. And as a woman, independence is so key. And independence in so many ways financially, not just financially, but in those basic skills, how good was it on the weekend to fix your own stuff and not have to call somebody?
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Absolutely. It gave me joy, truly. It gave me joy. You're right. One hand, I've probably saved$ 500 or more in service fees, but the sheer satisfaction of muscling that washer out from behind the wall, taking the screws out, figuring it out. Now, I will say that I don't have the diagnostic skills from my skilled trade worker family, that YouTube is providing me all the answers, but I at least know how to use a pair of channel lock pliers. I know how to do things. I know. Yeah. So I love it. It's emotional for me. It's joy.
Shannon Tymosko: And it's that just that confidence to try, because we talked about the community and it's another thing I love about the skilled trades is as I, I'm still new, but as I get into it I find that it's such a community of people. For me, my kind of thing that I've been taking on, I'm an electrical apprentice, but what I've been taking on during COVID is car repairs. Like I have some of free time, right? So I used to change my tires with my stepdad. That was like a thing that we did. But, since then I've progressed to like oil changes. And now I changed my brakes. And I had a flat tire, I ran over a screw, right? I work in construction, I ran over a screw. And the truth, the whole truth of the story is we had a good snow fall and we had some snow still on our street. And I wanted to do a little fun drifty drift, around one time before. So I did like, it was very safe. There was nothing-
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: I love it.
Shannon Tymosko: ...Then I pulled into my driveway and I heard.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Oopsie.
Shannon Tymosko: I was like," Get in the garage, quick Shannon." Holding the garage. And it was flat in like three minutes. And so after, it only took me 20 minutes to switch it out to a different tire. But I had found that I'd run over a screw. And by doing that little drift, I like snapped off the top of the screw, which caused the leak. But I was able to fix it in 20 minutes. And again, I saved myself money, and I called a friend at work. He had a little plug- it kit, right. A fellow electrician and met me at work the next day. And I fixed it 15 minutes for free with my community. When in doubt I have people to call.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: That's the other thing I put in my Facebook post, is that while I was proud of myself, we don't do anything alone really, because it was all those times that, they were Beck get a Phillips out of the truck. And I know what that is when I was 10 that I learned from my uncles and my grandfather. And I phoned my ex- husband when I got to a point in the middle, because he actually comes from a family of washer and dryer sales and repair. So that's his expertise and he would have come and done it for me. We're friends. He would have absolutely come over, but I didn't need him to, but I did call him and I'm like," Hey, how do I, you know?" And he was like," Oh, get your channel locks and blah, blah, blah, blah." So we don't really do things alone. You've got phone a friend, you've got community, you've got people around us and that's actually even what makes it to me more fun to accomplish things when you're doing it together.
Shannon Tymosko: Absolutely. And sometimes you have hiccups, you know? So like you need someone to laugh with together when you make a boo- boo. Additionally, like I've now found this community. We talked, we met on LinkedIn, right. I found this community on Instagram of skilled trades people. Like as a construction worker, it's still cool to have a sticker collection. So, now you've got all these people making their own individual stickers. My little handle is Lady Volt. So I have a little Lady Volts sticker, and I've been trading stickers with people now, as far as England and Germany. And like, how nice is that? That like, they send me them back in the mail. Like it's my little COVID communications.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: I love that.
Shannon Tymosko: The community is beautiful in the skilled trades.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: And I love what you said about some of the women that you work with, that when you do figure something out, it's emotional, you have a little cry and you're so proud of each other. And one of the things that I talk about is that business is human. And as humans, we are personal, emotional, and social.
Shannon Tymosko: Yeah.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: And so it's unrealistic that we should think that we go to work and don't bring our emotions. Our emotions come with us everywhere we go. And to be able to openly share those with your community in a social way makes work more enjoyable. And you and I both share in the goal of getting to work that's thriving, right? That's what thriving is. It's I'm doing something I'm good at that I love to do. And I'm doing it with people that matter to me.
Shannon Tymosko: And I think it's really important you're talking about like, I think it's really important to bringing the positive mental health to work. That's where I was going. It's so sad as a woman entering the skilled trades, I'm seeing, a lot of men still having to suppress, feelings, emotions, be a man about it, toughen up. All of those things still exist. And I know that because when they want to have soft moments, Shannon over here, isn't going to... they can be vulnerable with me and I'm not, right. And I was talking to another woman. And this is why I think we need more women in the skilled trades is, she also worked in an industry that was very male dominated. And when they would have, big conversations, that might be a little heated. They invited her in, just because her female energy. Energy. Like, I think it's a thing. Her female energy somehow brought down the room and I can't help but notice there's like this guy on our site right now, he's kind of the supervisor of the floor. He is grouchy. Like, I would cry if I was on his receiving end. And I hear him, I hear him coming, I hear him coming, he turns the corner and he sees me, he gets a little softer. He's not yelling at me, but he sees me and just gets a little softer because like," Oh, now women's ears." Right. I don't do anything.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: And it helps everybody else on the site, doesn't it?
Shannon Tymosko: And somehow it makes them a little more vulnerable. And so I think it's really important that women start getting into the skilled trades because we hide a lot of those emotional moments still now because I am a woman and it is weird. And I had, for example, a moment with my foreman a couple of weeks ago where I was upset because one of the boys said something right.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: That happens in corporate America. That happens everywhere.
Shannon Tymosko: Right. And so I was talking to my foreman and he said," Shannon, I would be upset about that too but I just couldn't say anything." You can't say anything because you're a man, it wouldn't be acceptable for him to say he's hurt by those words. Right. So it's interesting, the women dynamic that we do bring to the field. We talk about thriving, not just surviving and I can't help, but think the construction world is such a great place for women. We talked about independence, be that independent woman. Growing up most of my life, let's be honest, we all watched Disney movies. We watched romance movies. We watched all of these things, saying most of us thought that we were in some way would marry, child, house. And to me, let's be honest, I didn't think that I'd still be 32 and single. Okay. Like that is not where I thought-
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Girl, 54 over here and single. Preach.
Shannon Tymosko: I did not think this is where my world would be. I thought I'd have like two children, a little white picket fence, like 1. 5 bathrooms, like, this was not my life. And the thing is, is growing up. I watched my parents, two incomes. Like you have to think about what you see and when I watch two incomes, they were able to thrive because they had two. So I thought, when I was thinking about my career choice, growing up, I didn't quite think I might have to go at this world alone. So my first career choice was child and youth work. Right? It got me a minimum wage job. It's great. I love it. It taught me a lot of things that I'm very grateful for and gave me, my foundation, but it's not one of those jobs that I can thrive on. And construction, like think about everything we've talked about, the confidence that it's given us women. It talks about the financial freedom. Talk about the independence that you get in your home, you don't have to call somebody to hang up a picture anymore. This is why I'm so passionate about the skilled trades is because of all of these freedoms that it's kind of given me and the last thing is the mental health thing. Like to me, I talk a lot about mental health because I think in our society today, all of us struggle in some form shape of anxieties, depressions, whatever it might be. And again, on a construction site itself, round about to talk about. So I'm like, let's talk about it. Let's go opposite. And I'm not afraid to say I've struggled with depression throughout my life. Especially up here in Canada, we get some really short days. Seasonal depression is a real thing.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Yep.
Shannon Tymosko: And when you go to the doctor, if you have a good doctor, the first thing he should ask you is if you exercise. And up until a couple of years ago, my answer was no, because I sat behind a desk, I did very minimum working and how is that contributing or helping me, you know? So it's just the physical stuff that I do every day is actually benefiting my mental health, my physical health. Now I have that financial freedom that thrive, not just to survive.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: And the confidence to now try other things, because confidence builds-
Shannon Tymosko: Yes.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: ...Then too. So now even if it's outside of work, because you have built confidence by trying things and figuring it out, you're willing to go try something else that you've not done before.
Shannon Tymosko: Like podcasts, I still sit here, it's one of those things. We talk about crying and I get off these podcasts and I'm like, who wants to listen to me talk? Like, I feel so touched and blessed. Right? And, but I'm trying it. And then people keep asking me. So all I just try to be my genuine self because somehow my genuine self is what attracts people to my story.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: But let's pause on that because that's an important theme here at the Badass Women's Council as well is the confidence to be yourself is often times the biggest differentiator in those that are struggling and those that are thriving. So I call it the difference between striving and thriving. So when we're not in alignment with our authentic self. When we're not using our gifts and talents. When we're not being true to ourselves, the word strive actually means battle and conflict. We're in a battle with ourselves. And the reason that people want to keep talking to you is because we sense the courage that you have to be yourself. And that's ultimately what builds trust is, is when you just know somebody's going to show up as themselves. That's courageous. And I love it so, so much.
Shannon Tymosko: Thank you. And that courage I have, again, I don't think I would've had the courage or the confidence to think that this would have been an avenue for me. And I'm just so blessed because of the skilled trades and so blessed, because of people like you, who want to listen to me talk.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: One of the things that I said growing up, well, probably early career is when I was started writing and publishing some of my writing. I thought, what all I want to do is share people's stories. And this is before podcasting was a thing. And now that's what I do every week is I share people's stories. So it's interesting. What happens when you put out into the world, what you want, God finds a way to just line it up and make it happen for you. Which begs the question. We haven't talked about this yet. How did you end up as an electrical apprentice? So I know you said you were in child, youth services. What was the transition that said," Hey, I'm going to try this thing over here. That's completely different than what I'm doing right now?"
Shannon Tymosko: It didn't quickly, it didn't happen overnight. There was another kind of career in between the two because I couldn't survive on the child and youth work. So I worked in the financial payday loans here for a decade. I did not like that job. You were talking about you're not happy with yourself, you know what I mean? When it doesn't jive with you. Like it just, I just didn't enjoy it. I went home everyday miserable. My friend Matthew bought a house and he said," I want to rip out the kitchen." I thought he was crazy because people in my family were not trained people. So we take 10 years to do renovations. So I thought," Matt's crazy." Right. But the next day we started ripping up the kitchen and like I found enjoyment through ripping it out, rebuilding it, we've ventured on the other projects, the basement wasn't finished. So we finished the basement and this was the time that I really disliked this other job. I thought, well, why did I never think of this? You know? And like, why wasn't it ever something? Because I took the tech class in school. I had a mother who, we didn't have skilled trades people, but like my grandfather taught carpentry in high school. So, it wasn't completely absent in my life. So I did have an influence, but why wasn't this something that was offered to me? Why wasn't a skilled trades an option. Financially it is, freedom. These other jobs, they did not provide that. And so I don't know it was building of this house when my friend Matthew, the dislike of just not just like, it's a job, but how you feel going home.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Right.
Shannon Tymosko: It's just not for you. And I searched out options to switch. And so I found a pre- apprenticeship program. Sometimes it's hard for women. So if you are a woman interested in the skilled trades, sometimes it's hard to get into the field. We call it green, you have no industry experience.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Right.
Shannon Tymosko: And so you're talking about, I'm like an, everything happens for a reason, person. And I truly do feel like as much as those times, I'm resentful that maybe child and youth work didn't work out. Well, It was because of the child and youth work that I had the skills to research the program, to get into the pre- apprenticeship program. Right?
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: We call that the breadcrumb trail of discovery. Like one little thing leads to another little thing and then another little thing. And then all of a sudden you're in this thing that you didn't even know was possible.
Shannon Tymosko: And then the KickAss Careers. That to me is like the combination of everything for me. I get to-
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Tell us about that organization. KickAss Careers is an actual organization. Tell us about that a little bit.
Shannon Tymosko: It's just a group of people, skilled trades, like authentic skilled trades workers, variety of trades. We have iron workers, welders, and we're just passionate people who like to talk about our journey, because we do want, we would love to see other people, other women. I don't know if there's necessarily a skill trade deficit or like right now. But I do think we're going to lose a lot of knowledge because in Canada, there's some people sitting on a list right now. I know there's not jobs right now for some people. So right now in Hamilton, there's not a big demand, but because you're not training the young people and you're only working with the older people, they're going to retire and you're not going to have that overlap. We're going to lose so much knowledge.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: We already have it in the United States. I don't know what the stats are in Canada, but the United States has a wicked shortage of skilled trades workers. I mean, right now, if I had to give career advice to young people right now, I'd say, go train to be a plumber because there's not enough plumbers. And that's why it costs you crazy money to get a plumber to come to your house. And hopefully it's going to be somebody reliable because there's such a supply and demand problem with, with just basic trades work now it's scary.
Shannon Tymosko: And so many people think about like the dirty, it's a dirty job. It's a hard job. And I'm like, okay, let's argue the dirty part. I'm not a nurse. I don't wipe, soiled sheets. So for me, dirty is definition. And I think my job is quite clean. Okay?
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: I love that analogy. That's good.
Shannon Tymosko: It's true though. If you're a teacher you're going home sticky, like you're going home. Oh, I would hate that. That little like, Oh, the little sticky fingers. Oh, it would drive me nuts. So like dirty saturation.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: And that's an actual challenge. I was working with some other executives about this skilled trade shortage a few years ago. And one of the education tracks that they had to work on in high school was educating parents, not the kids, educating parents, that if their kids went into a skilled trade, they weren't going into a dirty factory because there was a stigma associated that they didn't want their kids. And that's not the way it is. I mean.
Shannon Tymosko: And I thought about that and someone said to me once, if you think about that generation, the parents, so you know the generations before us, a lot of them came from overseas. We're a country of immigrants, right? We immigrated from wherever. And those people worked hard. Let me, I'm not saying we don't work hard today, but like I'm not-
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: The tools were different. The technology was different. The blueprints were different. All of it.
Shannon Tymosko: Right. And so their kids were not going to go into that. So my parents, it was like, Nope, skilled trades is dirty, bad, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So my parents' generation are convinced because of their pair. That it's a dirty, unsafe job. But let me tell you in Canada, like all the same in the States, you cannot go over like six feet without being tied off. Okay, like six feet is not that high. You can't be asked to lift over 50 pounds legally, here in Canada without being given some sort of assistance to do that. So, there's-
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: That's like a thing, of dog food for me.
Shannon Tymosko: Right, that's like a baby. How many women are lifting their children regularly?
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Toddlers, right, right.
Shannon Tymosko: Absolutely. Not a baby, that's a big baby. That's a toddler.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Well, that's a big baby. I'm with you. I'm with you.
Shannon Tymosko: A big baby but.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: But it's true. It's true.
Shannon Tymosko: So it's definitely a job that doable and like that. So they think it's dirty. They think it's unsafe. And then the pay part. Well, like for me, I did the traditional, went to school, got a career, got an education, did all that. I also got a big pile of debt as well. It was like here, presents, congratulations.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: That's a whole other episode that we could do that, I'll rant about, yeah.
Shannon Tymosko: Right.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: The college loan problem is disastrous.
Shannon Tymosko: It's unreal. The first adult decision that our young people make is to get in debt with the Ontario Student Loan. It's like, and I think that's like, you're setting them up for failure, especially if you didn't research what you're, what you're going into.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Well, in the United States, it was marketed as your ticket. Well, what they forgot to tell tons of people is, well, they told them, but it was in really fine print on page 475. That ticket is going to cost them the next 25 years of their life, probably.
Shannon Tymosko: Yeah.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Yeah, to pay it off. Crazy.
Shannon Tymosko: But if you're a skilled trades worker, when you're 18 years of age, you could have started an apprenticeship. In Canada, it takes five years to be an electrician. Some other trades are shorter, so it doesn't have to be that long. And because there is that shortage in demand, what young people don't know is that one, your employer normally pays for your education. So they pay the schooling part. And then the government is so wanting of you that they even pay for in Ontario, your unemployment insurance. So you can go to school. They don't do that for the rest of the university and college students. And then when you graduate a level of schooling, the government goes, yay. Here's a thousand dollar grant, right. That doesn't happen to the millions of young people that are going through.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Amen.
Shannon Tymosko: And I just finished paying off my debt, like for the child and youth work.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Awe, yay. That's exciting.
Shannon Tymosko: Right? Woo hoo. And I have a small debt. I barely, I think I started with$ 7, 000, right? Like it just takes forever to tackle that.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Well, yeah when you're paying a hundred bucks a month or whatever, just to try to whittle it down, it does take a long time.
Shannon Tymosko: And you get a minimum wage job for that piece of paper.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: The example I gave earlier about this company I was working with, I was assessing this skilled trade shortage and educating the parents. It was amazing how steep the beliefs were in these parents for them to even understand, because it was just drilled into them. College, college, college, college, and the opportunities that were being offered for this particular company. It was a two year program and they were pretty much guaranteed if they got through it with decent grades in such a$ 90, 000 a year within the first year of employment.$ 90, 000 for this particular trade. I mean, it was highly technical, but it was just a two- year program but because the beliefs were steeped so deeply that it had to be college or nothing, they almost couldn't hear it. It's like, you're going to go into a place that's cleaner than a hospital. You're going to be taught a skill that is sought after and is going to be around for decades. And you're going to make exceptional money. And they had to work really hard to get people to hear that, which is fascinating to me.
Shannon Tymosko: And I think, it goes back to that, like when I was a kid that misunderstanding of what life really is like. I thought there'd be two incomes, about$ 50,000 a piece would be nice. Like if I as a household made$ 100,000, like these were thoughts that I had 20 years ago.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Right.
Shannon Tymosko: So like, what is$ 90, 000 doing for you these days? Nothing. Right? And so when I worked at payday loan, which is a financial institution that does short term loans, I see pay stubs. And what young people don't realize is that the average paying job probably in Canada is like$ 45,000 to$50, 000. You're doing good. If you got a$50, 000 a year job and you are, and way above, if you're making more than that. And most people can't even afford houses here anymore because the market's outrageous. But if you didn't start with debt and you started with making money, by the time you were maybe 25, because you still lived at home for those first few years maybe. You could afford a house.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Yeah.
Shannon Tymosko: And then even you could buy the fixer upper because you have the skills to fix it up.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Absolutely. Oh my gosh. That's a whole nother level of efficiency and the budget. I love this. I love your vibe. I love your energy and that you're telling your story because the other thing is, it's one thing that you did this, and it's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful story. But when we stand tall in our story and courageously go tell the world about it, we give others confidence to do the same and you're educating. And you're passing on the skills or the lessons that you've learned as you've taken on these skills. And I'm just super glad that I reached out. And you said, yes. And that now more people are going to know that this is an option.
Shannon Tymosko: Well, thank you very much. It's statements like that, that motivate and drive me because sometimes I get these messages from... I got one at Christmas, from this dad this year at Christmas, we got her daughter, a Barbie House. And instead of just building it for her, I brought her over and we built it together because of your posts. And I was like, I talked about the tears. Like, I want to cry just saying it, but like he goes, so thank you for that very kind thing.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Next Christmas let's encourage parents to buy their kids, a toolbox with some tools in it.
Shannon Tymosko: Yes.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: And let them build some stuff and try some stuff so they can be more confident.
Shannon Tymosko: And as a woman, can I ask you how many pairs of like pajamas, lotion, bath soaps, have you gotten over the years?
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: More than I cared to yeah but luckily, because I came from a family of skilled trades, I also, I've gotten really nice toolkits. I've gotten a nice drill a few years ago from my dad. So I'm one of the lucky ones, I think.
Shannon Tymosko: Well, I was going to say, this year was like the first year. Well, my mom's gotten me little tools, just like home kits, like to put up like a picture or something.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Yeah.
Shannon Tymosko: But nobody, like when I was a girl, nobody bought me like tools. And when you think about young boys, young boys get tools all the time. They probably rolled their eyes because they're not really interested at 12, but by the time they're 18, they're like," Oh, yo I got that toolkit." Right? And those things, tools last a long time. But let me tell you, lotion expires it smells funky it's done.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: It's true.
Shannon Tymosko: By your girls some tools.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Tools are the gift that keep on giving.
Shannon Tymosko: That's true. That's very true. And it's the best bonding experience with your kids. They remember it. Let me tell you.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Absolutely. I can remember, my daughter is 19 now, but she went to her dad when she was probably 10 and said," Hey, could we build something?" And then he went out to the garage and got some tools and some scrap lumber we had and they built a little side table. And you know what? It's still in her bedroom at her dad's house today.
Shannon Tymosko: I'm telling ya, and it help build that confidence.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Yeah.
Shannon Tymosko: And so get your children, my advice, young people just try stuff. You know what I mean? If you've got those co- ops in high school because sometimes we have like in Canada, you have co-op so you can go do placements. Oh my God. Try them. See if you like it, because you'd be surprised, how rewarding it is working with your hands, you know?
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Yeah. And I know a lot of students, college students from my kids, my kids are 19 and 22. So I'm in that era who went onto college because they felt like they should have, but they really would have preferred to work with their hands. And those are the people that I get concerned about that if they just would have been encouraged to do what they really loved. Yeah.
Shannon Tymosko: People work harder when they like what they do.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Yeah, agreed.
Shannon Tymosko: They're willing to put more into it, all that kind of stuff. And there's this documentary I watched, it's just like 45 minute little thing on Prime, Amazon Prime, it's called Generation Jobless. It talks about Ontario's. It talks about the education system and all that kind of stuff. But one of the things that I loved, it talked about a European country that their schooling system, when you enter grade nine, you were given two choices. You can either take an apprenticeship or you can go, if you're serious, like you want to be a doctor, okay then you need to go to school. But if you want to be a chef for you want to be a seamstress or anything, you go apprenticeship. And in grade nine, you start actually going like, talk about the work ethics you build. Right? And then, and the people that want the education route, they are now, not, everybody's getting a university degree. Now that piece of paper means something. You know what I mean? It has some value. And by the time you're 18, whether or not, you have some options to change still, because you've tried, but you know whether or not you want to do that career or switch something different. It gives young people the opportunity to actually hands on, try not to sit behind a piece of paper and learn drama or like history.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Yeah, no, I love that. And then, like I said, another episode we could go on, I could go on an educated rant, I tell you. I got them in me and I often do, but unfortunately we're out of time today, but we'll have to save that for another time.
Shannon Tymosko: Oh, it's been so nice chatting with you. I just feel like you're a kindred spirit. So we were meant to meet and thank you for chatting and inspiring me more today.
Rebecca Fleetwood Hession: Awesome. Thanks for being here. This is Rebecca Fleetwood Hession thanks so much for being here. We'd love to stay connected. We can do that. If you jump into the online community at Badass Women's Council. community. We've got lots of cool people in there already. And if you come in, it'll just be cooler.
Life as a woman is often depicted as baby bumps, high heels, and Disney princesses, but for Shannon Tymosko it is more like doing doughnuts, running electrical wires, and tearing apart a friend's kitchen for the heck of it. As a Kickass Ambassador, Shannon wants to show women that it is no big deal if you want to trade in your pumps for a power drill in the pursuit of a career that brings you satisfaction.
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