Telling your sales team what not to do is not the way to teach them how to do a better job.
In this episode of INSIDE Inside Sales, Darryl welcomes Lee Salz, the brilliant sales strategist and accomplished author, to discuss what it means to sell different and why the word “not” is a big no-no. Contrary to expectations, the “different” part of the equation is actually something that should be the gospel of sales - for example, looking at each touchpoint and every interaction with your prospects, or finding a way to outsell, outperform, and outsmart the competition. Darryl and Lee offer actionable tips you can actually implement on how to ask for referrals, generate leads, sell virtually, handle discovery meetings, and increase conversion rates.
Darryl Praill: How's everybody doing today, folks? It's another day here on the INSIDE Inside Sales Show. Did I sound like a used car salesman? Did I sound like it was a," Come on down, I got to move these puppies, let's go." I got the speed. I got the cadence. I got the rhythm. And I've only got 15 seconds of airtime, so let's get my message across. Yes, yes. Yes, I did sound that way and a lot of people do sound that way, it's crazy. If you sound that way, a little lesson to you, don't do that. Although, ironically, I understand why you might do that because whenever we start a sales call, especially on a phone call, it's like you're hungry as hell to have this phone call connection. Because you get so few connections result in something tangible, actionable, a next step, another meeting. We want to have this call so I can have another call is really the goal. And we rush. We rush to get as much value prop as we can in the 15 second slot, like you might see in late night television. That's if you still watch television. If you are a generational child of Netflix, you have no idea what I'm talking about right now. And I feel sad for you because you just miss some serious pop culture. The best television was on late at night. So we often just throw away those precious seconds." Hi there, it's Darryl Praill from VanillaSoft. I'm the Chief Revenue Officer here. How you doing today there, Frankie, Susie, Mary, Billy." That's what we do, right? And you do the clock and that was five seconds. That's gone. I got seven seconds to make an impression to see if you like me or not. In 12 seconds, you're gone, and I just threw half of that away, almost. That's crazy. That's a lesson you learn early on. Don't waste that time. I know, I get the voicemails, I have the calls and I'm drumming my fingers on the desk while you do your thing. You do your thing and I just have to get past it. It's a bad habit and bad habits are hard. One of the things I do in my job is, I work with our sales team all the time to get rid of those bad habits. And it's remarkable because we sit and we talk about getting back to the basics, just Selling 101. And what blows my mind every time, what blows my mind, just blows my mind as a veteran leader, is how much pushback I get." It's okay, Darryl, I know what I'm doing. Done this before. Just get out of my way. This is my style. That works for me." And I am like," Are you fricking stupid?" Now, I don't always say that. Although occasionally I've been known one to say that. But in my mind, this is what every sales leader is thinking. When you say that, they're thinking this:" You're a moron." You may not know that because they're looking at you with kind and concern, but in their head it's," You're a moron." And the reason they're saying you're a moron is not because they really think you're a moron. Although, we won't go down that road. It's because they've been where you're at. They've struggled. They've done poor time management. They didn't block their calendar. They didn't do enough prospecting to build a sustainable pipeline so that when they depleted their pipeline to hit the number this quarter, they had nothing left to start the quarter. They thought they had major deals they committed to with management, just to learn that their champion wasn't a champion at all. There's lots of deals. Lots of reasons go on. And all of it is basic stuff. If you listen to every single episode here of the INSIDE Inside Sales Show, we've talked about what you need to do to sell successfully. That's what we do. And it's really about going back to the basics. It's knowing who is your ideal customer profile, knowing if you're in a commodity situation, why you, versus the competition? Imagine somebody, an accountant, everybody does it if you're an accountant. Is your accounting any different than the next accountant? Than the next accountant? I don't think so. Especially because it's all legislated and regulated. Therefore, why you? If you're selling accounting services, as an example. And the list goes on. Now, this is what keeps me up at night because not only do I share and bring amazing guests onto the show here to share with you, to remind you. I mean, this is a very pragmatic show, a meat and potato show. If I had to say what's the theme of this show, it's to constantly remind you of what you've been told already and forgot about, but it's so instrumental to your success. Okay, I've set the table. Now, imagine this. I get this book, get this book in the mail, some guy named Lee Sales. No it's not Lee Sales, it's Lee Salz. Lee B. Salz, this is his third or fourth book. I forget, when you've had so many, they all blur together. And it's called Sell Different and I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued, I tell you. And I start going through the table of contents. I look at all the who's who... I mean this cat, you should see. It's obnoxiously impressive, all of the industry experts. He's quoted here," The marketer in me," I'm like, God bless you, brother. This is how you launch a book. I was quite impressed, but more importantly, and I'm flipping through it now, I'm going through the, the table of contents. Tell me if you've ever had this conversation with your sales manager. Differentiating your buy- in experience. Who's your toughest competitor? Finding out more about your clients. Harness the power of virtual selling. Hey, COVID anybody? The critical person you need to win more deals at the prices you want, the list goes on. So this is a phenomenal book, and as you read it, and I've read it and I've got 1000 notes in front of me, I'm like, wow. And then I was confused. Everybody, I want you to meet my friend today, this is Lee Salz. Lee, how you doing man?
Lee Salz: Doing great Darryl, how are you?
Darryl Praill: I am doing well crosstalk
Lee Salz: I love your story, by the way. When you were talking about sales managers and their sales people. It almost sounded like parenting, didn't it?
Darryl Praill: Oh my gosh-
Lee Salz: Where you're trying to keep your kids from making the same mistakes you did.
Darryl Praill: Yeah. I had this conversation so many times with my wife. When you're parents, you have two people involved, typically. Typically. Sometimes four or more. Everybody's got a little different style. And so my wife and I would have this conversation and I would say to her this, I would say... She's like,"Doesn't the kid get it? This is stupid and this is why." And I'm like," You know it, I know it. I get it. But sometimes you just have to experience it, honey." Yeah, but if they experience it, this consequence will happen. It's kind of like telling the kid not to touch the hot stove. Eventually you have to let the kid touch the hot stove. That particular kid needs to touch the hot stove. I had to tell my wife inaudible, " You got to let him fail." It's the same in sales. Other reps were like, just tell me what not to do. And it's funny because I'm reminded, Lee, of an old boss. On my first job, my first job was selling copiers door to door but my first job I went to school for, after selling copiers door to door, I said," This is hard." And I went back to being a computer programmer, which is what I went to school for. And there was me and a classmate who got this job. And we worked there for a year, year and a half or whatever. And my boss and I were talking at the time about the difference between me and my Darren. Darryl and Darren. And he was saying," Darryl, it's like this." He goes," When there's a problem, Darren goes through the wall. He may butt his head up against that wall for weeks or months at a time, he'll eventually break through. Where you, Darryl, you don't go through the wall, you go around the wall." And it's kind of like, that's me. I'm like, just give me the shortcut, tell me what to do and I'll stop doing what I'm doing, because you've got a better way. Where Darren was the guy who had to experience it himself and go," You know what? Going through the wall hurts like hell." Eventually he gets there, but it may take him longer. That's true.
Lee Salz: It's interesting. Have you ever heard how they train race car drivers?
Darryl Praill: No.
Lee Salz: It's really interesting. So the instructor will be sitting next to the driver and the driver obviously is driving really fast around the track. And what they want to do is look at the wall and they think for themselves, don't hit the wall. Don't hit the wall.
Darryl Praill: You're going to hit the wall.
Lee Salz: What the instructor does is, they pull their head. They won't let them look at the wall because the human mind doesn't understand the word not. So when you think, do not hit the wall, you might as well hit the wall. You've just done it. If you're playing baseball, if you're saying," Do not strike out," you might as well sit down. You've already struck out. And so, that's so often what sales managers do is they say," Don't do this," as opposed to what they should be doing instead. And it may seem subtle, but it's so important when you're trying to guide sales people.
Darryl Praill: Okay. I agree with you, which brings me back full circle to, before I brought you on my friend, I had a cliffhanger. And I read the book and I loved it so much, and I said, but at the end of the day I said, I was confused. And then I brought you on. Everybody's like," What the hell you confused for, Praill, are you just an old man? You can't remember how to finish your sentences?" This is why I was confused. Your book, Lee, is Sell Different.
Lee Salz: Yes.
Darryl Praill: But as I went through it, it didn't actually strike me as different. It struck me as gospel. Like, why aren't you doing this? This is what you need to be doing. So what's your angle around Sell Different?
Lee Salz: So in other words, what's different about this book, right? On the one hand you say, I'm reading this and it should be the gospel, but you've been around a long time. I know it's your birthday so everybody wish a happy birthday to Darryl.
Darryl Praill: Thank you.
Lee Salz: We've been doing this a long time and what we think should be happening with sales people so often is not. The thing that we're seeing today when it comes to sales is, it's never been tougher. Competition is fierce. When we look at differences between features and functions, they're subtle, they're small. But at the same time, and maybe you've done this, I haven't. I haven't seen anybody do this either. No one's saying," You know what, salespeople, I feel bad for you. We're going to lower your quota by 50%. You want to sell the deal with 20 points fewer margin, we're cool with that." Nobody's doing that. They're still saying," Salespeople, we still expect you to win at high rates and protect margins while doing so." Or as I just trademarked, win more deals at the prices you want. So how do you do that? How do you do that When the differences between what you're selling and what the competition is selling is so subtle? Maybe in some cases, the same. Means you have to sell different. Means you need to look at every touch point, every interaction you have between yourself and a buyer, and look for ways to outsmart, outmaneuver, and outsell the competition. And that's what I've done in Sell Different. So, as you mentioned, how you generate leads, how you ask for referrals, how do you even have a referral program. How you handle discovery meetings. Everybody wants to talk about increasing conversion rates. You'll know I won't use that word closing, I hate that word, but how do you increase conversion rates? Do a better job in discovery. How do you sell virtually? When I wrote the book proposal, there wasn't a chapter on virtual selling. But then, like you mentioned, this little thing happened, the pandemic. Now there's a chapter on virtual selling. How do you deal with the ultimate deal killer, fear of change? So important. It's in every deal and if it's not handled properly, you lose. And so much more. So it doesn't matter what you're selling, doesn't matter to whom you're selling, these strategies will help guide you to be effective and win more deals at the prices you want. Now, one of the things that I did, I'll give you a little peek into the kitchen. First round of editing, and this is not commonly done when editing a book, I sent it to my corporate clients. Several of them. I said, I'm not looking for you to work on the grammar or the spelling, here's what I want to know. What could you not implement based on how I described it? Because one of my goals with this book was for the reader to be able to read a chapter, say," I get it," and know how to put it into practice without paying someone like me to come in and do it. There's a lot of books out there where you read it and there's no way you can implement it on your own. Not with Sell Different, that was the intent.
Darryl Praill: I love that. I'm going to describe what he just did a little more succinctly because it frames what we're about to talk about. If you're really happy with your results right now, then just hit fast forward or tune out or stop or go listen to another episode. If you're not happy with your results right now, then chances are what you need to do is sell different. And that's why this book matters, all right? Because what you're doing, clearly, isn't getting you the results you want. Let me set the stage. You open the book up with a really... It was a fun story and it was a really relevant story. It connected with me because it wasn't about sales, it was about your family, it was about your son. And your son, apparently, is a fairly accomplished... or at least once upon a time was a fairly accomplished baseball player and he was being recruited by a variety of colleges. Now you present the dilemma of, you have all these colleges and this is kind of my example of the accountant, right? In the sense of, they're all accountants, they all do the same thing. For the most part, all the colleges are similar. And sure, you have the Harvards or the Princetons, I'm not saying those were who was recruiting your son. So those are the brand outliers and they are outliers. Everybody else, though, is kind of the same. And you made the great point of saying that that sales, the head of athletics, that coach, they're a sales rep. So how did they sell you and your son? Because there were some dynamite lessons there, your personal experience was being sold to... And so your son went to the right school. And here's irony, that coach is going to keep their job whether they have a winning team or a losing team, so they sure as hell better be a better sales person than the next person. So talk to me about that.
Lee Salz: Yeah, so if you've ever been through a college recruiting experience before, you know it's a sale. And these coaches are trying to sell you on their institution, but they can't differentiate what they're selling. Just like you mentioned with the accountant. They can't add a major, they can't build a dorm, they can't move the campus, they can't change the menu in the cafeteria. It just is. So what they have to do is sell different, which means differentiating their sales approach. And Darryl, as I talk about in the book, some of these coaches were fantastic at it and some failed miserably. Now, you know when you first drive onto a college campus, as soon as you cross onto the border, your blood pressure jumps about 30 points. You know why that is? You do, because you read the book.
Darryl Praill: I do.
Lee Salz: It's not the tuition. You can't find a place to park. Every parking lot on a college campus says, park here and we're going to tow you, but welcome to our fine institution. Well, for one school we visited, we pull into the parking lot and there's a spot with Steven's name on it. Stopped us dead in our tracks. Go inside, there's an agenda for the day, Steven's name is printed right at the top. If you think about it, what did it cost this college to do these two things? A penny, maybe, for the paper and the ink? But think about what they did. They made us feel... Can you hear the thunder?
Darryl Praill: I can, I love it. That's because God is speaking, saying," Listen to Lee."
Lee Salz: They made us feel like Steven was the only athlete they were recruiting anywhere on the planet for any sport. But of course that wasn't the case, but that's how they made us feel. Salespeople, we have that same opportunity, to make people feel special. For us, we get busy. It's just another lead, it's just another call, it's just other presentation, it's just another proposal. We forget to make people feel special. See, you may be having these conversations every hour on the hour, but think of it from their perspective. They're having it once. If you've ever been to a professional show, like a Broadway show, they deliver that same show multiple times a day for months, years. But the actors get it. The audience is seeing it once. They're doing it over and over and over again, but the audience sees it once. So my challenge for you, and it doesn't matter what you're selling, you can do this, how are you making people feel special? And I'll tell you something that I do with my consulting clients, my keynote clients. If you were to ask them," How many clients does Lee have?" They wouldn't have a clue because I make them feel like I've got one. And that's so important. We forget to do it. It's such an easy thing to do. It requires thought, and we don't do it enough. You know, it's interesting. Steven has a brother, my other son, David. Also a baseball player. He was a nationally recognized pitcher, went through this process, and there was a school that was on Steven's list that wasn't on his list. They didn't get rid of a major, knock down a dorm, move the campus. It was the recruiting experience. They. They made Steven feel like a number. They said the words," Hey, we really want you here," they made him feel like a number. When David went through this process, didn't even put that school on his list. So think about this, you make someone feel like a number, it doesn't just impact this deal. It's like the old shampoo commercial, they tell two friends, and they tell two friends, and so on and so on. It's a major, major impact. We often like to say that sales is a numbers game. And I partially subscribe to that. If you fully subscribe to that, that sales is a numbers game, I'm guessing you're making the people that you're calling on feel like a number as well.
Darryl Praill: So one of the things I say all the time, if you're a regular listener of the show you've heard me use this expression before, is that often the rep who doesn't get my business, even though we could have gone through the sales cycle together, is the one who makes me feel like a transaction. That's the word I use, because I recognize I'm just another sale to them and there's nothing special. The word I like to use, we use the word special. It's a great word, it's the right word. I use a different word, same sentiment, I'm looking for a partnership. If I feel like you're going to partner with me, you're going to look out for my success, you've got my back. You're helping me understand and diagnose and qualify and quantify the problems and propose solutions to that the process. If that's a partnership, that I can go back to you if things don't work out, you've got business. It's not just about price, it's about a partnership. Special, not a number. Not a transaction. Lee and I approaching this as people who can consume. He's a professional seller, I have the budget, I'm a professional buyer. But you see, you're coming at it from the same point of view. To many reps don't get that. I want to talk to you, you talk about your toughest competitor. Now, this is something I talk to my team about all the time. Some get it, some dismiss me. Talk to me about who our toughest competitor are. Because, I got to admit, I don't want to give away the plot line. Lee goes through the book, and he talks about... Do you think it's this person? What are the reps? Guess. They guess it's this, they guess it's that, they guess it's this, they guess it's that. And of course, as you might imagine, they're getting more and more specific, but in the end they're ultimately wrong. And when I read who you qualified as the toughest competitor was, I'm like," Yes," because I've had this conversation so many times. So who's our toughest competitor, Lee?
Lee Salz: You just touched upon one of my favorite questions to ask keynote audiences. So I'll say, who's your toughest competitor? And I'll call on a few folks and they rattle off three names, three players in their space. And I'm sure they're tough competitors, but there's one even tougher. And then someone will snark, get up and say," Oh you mean that old sales trainer one, the status quo, the choice to do nothing." Also a tough competitor, but there's one even tougher. So then the audience gets quiet and they start thinking about it for a minute. And then someone will raise their hand and say," It's me. If I don't have the right mindset, I am my toughest competitor." Now they're not entirely wrong, certainly if you don't have the right mindset you can be a competitor. You can be in your own way. But there's one even tougher. Even more formidable. And no audience member has ever guessed it. And I'm so excited, Darryl, that you and I are singing from the same hymnal on this. And it's every salesperson calling the same person you are, trying to get a meeting. See we're egocentric when we think about the competition, but let's put ourselves on the other side of the desk for a moment. Let's say we call on CIOs and we sell a software product. Let's think about that CIO for a moment. That CIO is receiving calls and emails from sales people representing their entire purview of responsibilities and beyond. And if you think about it, they're all selling the same thing: a meeting. They want face time with this individual. Now, I'll share with you a little background, I was a history year in college. I went to what was called Sudi Binghamton, now called Binghamton University, and while I studied history, I learned many historical business facts. And I'm going to share one with the group here. In the entire history of business, no executive has ever been hired for the sole purpose of meeting with salespeople every hour on the hour. It's never happened. It's never going to happen. So we're an interruption in their day. And so, what that says to us is, we've got to be different. Different, right in that first interaction, or we're not getting the meeting. Because if there's no meeting, there's no proposal. No proposal, no win. No win, no commission check. It's very logical. See, if we remember that no executive is staring at their phone going," Oh my gosh, I hope a salesperson calls me right now." No one's doing that. If we keep that in mind, that tells us we've got to be creative in our outreach.
Darryl Praill: The thing about this is, I am always hammering my team that... You say all salespeople are calling the same decision influencer, and I agree with you, I'm saying you need to call beyond. Because often the decision influencer is actually pushing that decision down one level to do analysis, assessment, shortlisting, et cetera. Use cases, needs analysis, et cetera. And you need to call into the extended buying committee because there's influencers, the financial, there's the technical, there's the IT, et cetera. And they don't do that. They keep on calling to the same, as you say, DI. And they're just noise with every other person. And now that person, the buyer, me, I just get tired of it. I stop responding. Whereas, if they go down to where no one else is, two things are going to happen. One, they're going to find out that, yes, they're looking for it. In fact, there's a couple of initiatives in the organization, not just us, but perhaps elsewhere that could be part of this project. And they're going to give you those names. And then two, they're going to walk you into the DI and say," I've talked to Darryl and he passes the litmus test. I like Darryl, you should talk to Darryl." And that's what's going to happen. As opposed to trying to do a frontal assault. It's a flanking. And I get so much resistance from people not wanting to call them the buy-in committee. And I get inaudible. Now, in my industry, the person I'm talking to is the only one that matters. In my industry, it's not how it works. Yes, they don't sign the check, but they have the influence. They make it happen, blah, blah, blah. And I'm tired, exhausted, of hearing this excuse. So help me out here, brother. How do I convince my team, and those who I work with, that you have to do exactly what you're saying, not to do. Don't call solely to the DI, go elsewhere.
Lee Salz: Well, I look at DI as anyone and everyone who influences the decision to buy what you're selling. So it's folks at the middle level, it's folks at the higher level, but to your point, we need to be reaching out to all the people who could basically be involved in that decision making process. The thing about sales is you don't get compensated or rewarded for hard work. You do get rewarded and compensated for being creative, strategic, smart in your outreach, because from that, you get results. Darryl, does that help you with your team?
Darryl Praill: It helps me, but I would say this, if you still are fighting me on this one, Lee just told you, are you having the success you're having? That you want? Because if you're not, perhaps you need to sell different. All right, I'll go with that. Okay, you talk about prospective.
Lee Salz: You mean like this?
Darryl Praill: Like that, right there. Exactly. So you talk about... We're running out of time. I hit a few of the things. One of the things I loved is you said, is prospecting bad? Because that's one of the complaints you hear all the time. Lee shares a little stat in the book, again, I'm given all the good stuff away. But I'm actually not because it's great stuff. You polled a whole bunch of executives, and how many executives have bought... You recall the stat? If not, I'll remind you.
Lee Salz: I do.
Darryl Praill: What's the stat?
Lee Salz: I do and it's not actually... It's not my study, it's a group called The Rain Group. And they studied this topic. They asked executives if they had ever taken a meeting with a salesperson who had reached out to them through some sort of prospecting. And so I'll ask my audiences of salespeople, what percentage said," Yes, I met with a salesperson who reached out through some form were prospecting." And, as you might imagine, the answers are a fraction of a percent. That's the common answer. The actual answer is 82. 82% of executives said they took a meeting with a salesperson who had reached out through some sort of prospecting. But the study went a step further. They found the secret sauce. The key ingredient that led to you getting the meeting, which is personalization. If you had a generic outreach, the way you left voicemail messages, the emails you're sending, when you reach someone live it was all generic. You weren't in that four out of five group. It had to be personalized if you're going to be successful with it.
Darryl Praill: Okay. See, I love this. That's a theme that you're going to see throughout the book, folks. Lee talks about personalization, he comes at it from lots of different ways. When I was reading it, it was jumping off the page at me because I was projecting my own personality. I'm like, when I'm on the phone, I'm in email, do I let my personalization come through? Do they feel special to me? I loved your Broadway analogy, does the audience feel like this is a special presentation to them? Do they feel like the actors are putting it all out there? I'm going to jump ahead a little bit because you actually talk a little bit... You go to the point about, to personalize, that you really need to know who your buyer is. And to know who your buyer is, you need to research your buyers. You need to go back to your customer base. And you have this wonderful expression that you just talk about... I'll set you up then you can explain what I'm talking about here. You do the old, if you were me... and I'll stop there. So talk to me about, if you were me and why that matters to me as a sales rep.
Lee Salz: Yeah. So, so often I hear executives and salespeople struggling to find more of their best clients. And they're searching high and low for them, they can't find them anywhere, and I tell them," Boy, you're making it so much harder than it needs to be." And they look at me funny. I'm like," No, it is." And so I have a strategy that I have used when I ran sales teams, that I've used with consulting clients, and batting 1000. And if you're not a baseball fan, it means every individual who's tried it, it's worked. Now, not a lot of sales strategies you can say that about with, but it's worked every single time. Now you'll notice I said more of your best clients, I didn't say your largest clients, because oftentimes they're not synonymous. Your largest client, maybe they're low margin, maybe there's some complex solution that you don't want to replicate. So more of your best clients is what we're looking for here. So we have to have clarity on what that looks like. Darryl, do your people like free things?
Darryl Praill: Of course they do. They love free things.
Lee Salz: Of course they do.
Darryl Praill: Yes.
Lee Salz: If you go to targetclientsprofile. com, there's a worksheet you can download. It has nine components to help you have true clarity on your target client. Now I keep saying target client, you may have heard the expression, ideal clients. I don't refer to it that way. And it may seem like I'm splitting hairs, but to me there's a big difference in the message salespeople here. When you say ideal client, this is, if all the stars were to align, this is the kind of business we'd like to have. Target client is, this is the business to pursue every single day, because this is who's going to see value in what we're offering. So now, once we have that clarity, because you need to have clarity to use this strategy. Here's what you're going to do. You're going to pick 10 clients that, if you could stick them in a copier to replicate them, you'd it in a heartbeat. Of course, we can't do that. And you're going to have a conversation, not an email, not a text, you're not going to leave a voicemail message. And during the conversation, you're going to ask one key question. So let me set it up for you. Darryl, you've been working with us for a long time so you're familiar with what we offer and the quality of what we offer. Now, here comes the question. If you were me, what associations would you be active in? What conferences would you attend? Outbound. What events would you go to? What would you be reading to meet more people like you? It's an open book test than we make it so much harder than it needs to be. People want to help you. They do. But they have to be asked. They really do. Now, you'll notice I wasn't upselling, I wasn't cross- selling, I wasn't asking for referrals, I wasn't asking them to serve as a reference. The only thing I was doing was asking them to take my hat, put it on their head for a moment, and share with me their council. So I told you I'm bating 1000 with this strategy. Want me to give you a couple of examples?
Darryl Praill: Sure.
Lee Salz: Okay. So this one client, there was a team that I was coaching, gave them the assignment. Two weeks, have 10 of these if you were me conversations. Just before we were going to have our update call, get an email from their sales manager, apologizing saying," Hey Lee, we got busy. We only got four of these done, but I attached what we found." Darryl four pages of notes from four conversation. What's he apologizing for?
Darryl Praill: Exactly.
Lee Salz: Then I had another one. This was an individual salesperson. Again, have 10 of these conversations in two weeks. He got seven done. He had a 45 minute update for me of everything he learned in those seven conversations. He found out about a technology council in his own backyard, didn't even know it existed, where all these CIOs were hanging out and he couldn't reach them. And his client says," You know, I can bring you as my guest if you'd like." Yeah. And then a few months later, he had an opportunity to present at that organization. An organization of folks he had been unable to reach. Now, one of those conversations he actually had in person and his CEO was sitting next to him, didn't know about the strategy. So he posed the if you were me question, and then that night I get an email from the CEO. Very short email. He said," Lee, I feel this is the question I've been missing for the last 15 years of my life. Thank you. Watched it in action today, nearly cried, spectacular." Folks, the strategy works. Remember what I said a little while ago, that my objective with this book was to give you strategies that you could implement without paying another penny to do it? This a perfect example of it.
Darryl Praill: So folks, as you can tell, I'm a big fan of the book. And I'm a big fan of the book because if you're not having the success you want, the book title says it all. You need to sell different. Now you have two options you can do here, you can ignore this and say," That was an interesting or entertaining read and maybe I'll follow Lee on LinkedIn," which, by the way, you should do regardless. And go to his website and download his content. Which, by the way, if you want to go to his website, I believe it's... Is it crosstalk
Lee Salz: It's selldifferentbook.com and you can actually download the first chapter for free.
Darryl Praill: Oh please, got a dedicated book. There you go. But beyond that, you should go buy the book. Just go buy it because this is an investment in you. And it's a small investment in you so you can have better success. A lot of the stuff in there you're going to go," Oh, I knew that, but I'm not doing it." Other stuff you're going to go, like if you were me, you're going to,"That's fricking brilliant." He's got, I don't want to give it away, but he's got whole chapter, you mentioned, on virtual selling. He's got a call out in the book, if you go to www. virtualsellingbestpractices. com, there's some more content there you guys can grab. I'm going to close on this. I wish I had time to drill down into this, but I was so... VanillaSoft, we're a sales engagement platform. And I was so thrilled to talk about your prospecting section of the book. You talked about, what I would call a cadence, others would call it a sequence, inaudible. He had a 16 day campaign of how to get in front of people. And what I found so intriguing in that 16 day campaign was you only had two emails and one LinkedIn touch, the rest were all phone based. Now, I won't give it away, you want to see what that 16 day campaign is to generate new business. You got to buy the book. So with that said my friends, this is the one, the only, Lee Salz. He's a rockstar. Thank you, my friend, today for joining me online here on the INSIDE Inside Sales Show. Good luck with the book. It's number one, right?
Lee Salz: It is, it hit best seller and it's rocking the numbers around the world right now.
Darryl Praill: So there you go. The numbers don't lie. The audience is out there. Give it a review if you get the book, Lee would be most grateful. It's the right thing to do. But in the meantime, if you like this, we're going to do it again all next week. My name's Darryl, this is the INSIDE Inside Sales Show. We'll talk to you next week. Take care, bye- bye.